Experimentelle Tests der Heimschen Theorien: Periheldrehung
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BeitragVerfasst am: 13.05.2009, 00:45    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Barney hat Folgendes geschrieben:
Hi Jan,

I think we have quietly introduced a new topic. Therefore I wrote to the admins with the hope for separation into a new thread with a title like: "Experimental tests of Heim theories: Perihelion shift of Mercury".

BTW, found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invariable_plane


Hello Barney
This weekend I tried to contact wikipedia. I would like to say to them that they mix incidental gravity centre with barycentre, which we call here Gauss centre. The incidental gravity centre of our solar system is indeed sun + jupiter + saturnus. Jupiter and saturnus in heliocentric conjunction gives that the actual gravity centre lies outside the sun and their opposition causes a actual gravity centre within the sun.

The barycentre should be the time-mean of all these incidental actual gravity centres: I repeat it lies only 70.000 km from the centre of the sun (you still have not asked in which direction)....
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JANm hat Folgendes geschrieben:
The barycentre should be the time-mean of all these incidental actual gravity centres: I repeat it lies only 70.000 km from the centre of the sun (you still have not asked in which direction)....
greetings Janm

No, Jan, that's not correct. The barycenter IS the center of mass in atrophysics.
Please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_of_mass#Barycenter_in_astronomy
You'll see, planet Jupiter alone could move the barycenter of the solar system barely outside of suns surface. But by reason of the gravity and movement of all other planets, the barycenter moves periodically inside and outside of suns surface.
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BeitragVerfasst am: 13.05.2009, 19:37    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

Hi JANm and Frank,

in the usual relativistic calculations of the perihelion shift, the mass of the test body is neglected. Jan, do you expect new effects, e.g. verification/falsification of the Heim potential, while calculating the two-body or n-body problem using GR or Heim theory?

Using mean values is probably no good idea, because you will use then not common used exact definitions and principles. If we would have exact two or n-body calculations, we would use automatically exact definitions about the center of mass of the system in the sense of Frank and the wikipedia article. Unfortunately, I have no good idea about how to take the mass of the test body (e.g. Mercury) into account in GR. I know that there are numerical calculations of rotating pairs of neutron stars or black holes, but I know nothing about the used mathematical algorithms there.
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BeitragVerfasst am: 13.06.2009, 02:19    Titel: Antworten mit Zitat

[quote="FrankSpechtNo, Jan, that's not correct. The barycenter IS the center of mass in atrophysics. [/quote]
Hello FrankSpecht
So if you state that the barycentre is the center of mass in astrofisics (you lost an s there) then the Gauss centre is indeed improvement.
70.000 km of the centre from the sun (nobody is interested in which direction, I still don't know if somebody is: that I would tell it!)
But suppose you have a invariable plane a time invariant thing planets can move through the climbing knot up, while others move below...
in such a way that the total rotational impulse remains the same.
The planets can also flatten their path by joining this plane...
But now what is the TIME INVARIANT centre of this invariable plane?
Please don't tell me that the actual gravitational centre is the time invariant centre? So You prooved that there is a difference between barycentre an Gaussian centre and you also prooved that it should not be the barycentre considered as centre of the invariable plane but the Gaussian centre...
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